Analí Bustos is an Argentine scientist who combines her scientific expertise with a hands-on approach across various fields to advance ecosystem restoration and community engagement in climate action. As the coordinator of the Monte Alegre Foundation, she integrates scientific knowledge with community involvement and engages diverse stakeholders to foster a shared sense of stewardship for the land. As a Ph.D. candidate in agricultural sciences, her research focuses on finding innovative solutions that balance agricultural productivity with ecological integrity.
As the biodiversity lead at Nativas Climatech, she explores science-based financial mechanisms to support large-scale biodiversity regeneration in farming environments, aiming for a future where both nature and agriculture coexist in harmony. Her vision is not only to contribute to ecosystem restoration but also to create pathways for people, especially women, to enter and thrive in this field, expanding opportunities and fostering empowerment.
PG: Would you please talk about your your doctoral specialisation.
AB: My doctoral thesis, developed at the University of Buenos Aires, is titled ‘Foundations and Strategies to Promote Pollinator Diversity in Agroecosystems,’ proposes manipulative experiments at the community scale, combined with landscape analysis, to generate evidence supporting management recommendations for creating pollinator habitats within productive areas. These recommendations could be adopted and implemented by key actors such as farmers, technical advisors, scientists, and government managers, with the aim of promoting regenerative practices that are compatible with production.
Globally, pollinators are facing a worrying crisis due to a combination of factors such as habitat loss, intensive pesticide use, climate change, and the expansion of industrial agriculture. Given the numerous benefits generated by the ecosystem service of pollination, both ecological and economic, urgent action is needed to promote sustainable agricultural practices, restore natural habitats, and reduce the use of harmful chemicals to protect these essential actors in the ecosystem.
PG: What is your current project and how will it help the family farms?
AB: This type of evidence-based recommendations could be of great help to rural communities or agricultural producers who need clear and pragmatic information on how to maximize the benefits of biodiversity in their productive fields. If they can be actively engaged in these practices, considered regenerative, I believe it will be possible to achieve a sustainable productive transition, instead of the current ones that only harm and weaken the planet’s overall health.
“There is a vast body of knowledge linking the global rise of patriarchy and Western philosophical and scientific thinking with the reductionism, commodification, and objectification of nature”
PG: Do you believe patriarchal form of agriculture comes in the way of biodiversity well-being?
AB: Absolutely yes. There is a vast body of knowledge linking the global rise of patriarchy and Western philosophical and scientific thinking with the reductionism, commodification, and objectification of nature. Throughout history, various thinkers have emerged with these ideas, which are deeply rooted in our actions to this day.
This is evident, for example, in the work of Francis Bacon, particularly in his book The Masculine Birth of Time, where he speaks of how nature must be made the ‘slave’ of man. He discusses exploitation and interrogative nature through reductive experiments, stating that “by the hand of man she is forced out of her natural state, and queried and molded”, allowing us “to penetrate further” beyond “the outer courts of nature.” He also claimed that once nature is known, it may be mastered, managed, and used in the service of human life, suggesting that the object of knowledge is the control of nature. In this view, nature itself has no purpose (Bacon, 1620).
PG: Can a higher participation by women lead to healthier biodiversity?
AB: Yes, a higher participation by women can significantly lead to better health of biodiversity. Women often play crucial roles in managing natural resources, particularly in rural and agricultural communities. Our involvement can bring diverse perspectives and knowledge that are essential for sustainable practices. When women are empowered and included in decision-making processes, it fosters the adoption of more regenerative agricultural practices and conservation efforts. This not only enhances biodiversity but also promotes the well-being of ecosystems and communities.
“When women are empowered and included in decision-making processes, it fosters the adoption of more regenerative agricultural practices and conservation efforts”
PG: Are you happy with the current state of pollinators?
AB: The current situation of pollinators is truly worrying. I believe the world has yet to realize how essential these creatures are for our planet to continue supporting humans and all other forms of life that inhabit it. I hope to contribute to changing this soon
PG: How important is Nature education for children?
AB: I believe that nature education is essential and has immense transformative power for the future of our planet. For children, it fosters a profound connection to the environment, raises awareness of ecological issues, and encourages sustainable practices from an early age. It also promotes physical and mental health by offering opportunities for outdoor activities, enhances critical thinking and problem-solving skills through hands-on exploration, and develops social skills through collaborative experiences.
At the Monte Alegre Foundation, one of my projects, we focus on engaging with schools. Throughout the year, children learn about the native forests in their region, and in the spring, they visit a nature reserve to participate in outdoor activities that promote connection with nature. These journeys are both enriching and deeply transformative for everyone involved; I firmly believe that there is no better way to learn and reshape our perceptions than through direct experience.
PG. Your vision for a sustainable Planet?
AB: I believe that the current state of our planet is a direct consequence of our mindset and the complete blindness that humans have. From my perspective, this is humanity’s greatest ‘trauma’: we do not realize that we are Nature and that our lives depend 100% on it. If our planet is healthy, we are healthy and prosperous as well. For this reason, I aim to continue working on initiatives and projects that unleash natural intelligence, that make the web of life that sustains us flourish, that strengthen a regenerative culture, and that guide us toward deeper, more conscious, equitable, and sustainable ways of living.
PG: Any particular expectations from COP16?
AB: Honestly, I’m very excited to attend this COP in person, mainly for two reasons. On both a personal and professional level, I know that this event brings together many people, organizations, and institutions that are the driving forces needed to restore nature, so I’m ready to listen and learn from them. In terms of the conference as a multilateral environmental policy event under the United Nations, there are high expectations because this COP will define the mechanisms to finance and monitor biodiversity action plans, both globally and nationally. For this reason, each country is required to present its National Biodiversity Strategies and Action Plans (NBSAPs).
I hope that by the end of the conference, we will have a clear vision of that joint action plan. According to climate scientist Johan Rockström, we have less than 10 years to reverse and restore key balances for our planet, so I hope this event will be the pivotal moment we’ve been waiting for.
PG: Many thanks Anali for these excellent insights. My best wishes for your participation at COP16 in Colombia.
Illuminem
October 15, 2024
https://illuminem.com/illuminemvoices/birds-canaries-in-the-coal-mine
https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7251822759582806016/
A passionate concern for the well-being of #migrating #birds over the last few months, in America, lends me some hope. All this happening in the thick of drought, forest fires, floods, hurricanes and a missing #climatebreakdown discourse in the time of election.
The last of humming birds have flown past, too. An occasional pigeon, resident raven and the sea-gull is all that is generally left behind. Stories from city after city, for instance, urged that post sunset tall buildings put-off their lights to ensure safe passage of the fliers.
Would the concerns of birders have rubbed on to a wider lot? Will they in turn begin addressing the brutal destruction of #biodiversity? Perhaps!?
Over half the world’s total GDP – is moderately or highly dependent on #nature and its services and, as a result, exposed to risks from nature.
What if the migrant #pollinators were never to return ‘home’?
Dr. Phoebe Barnard is an American global change scientist and professor of conservation biology and environmental futures at the University of Washington. She writes extensively on the vulnerability of biodiversity and ecosystems to climate and land use change.
Phoebe is a member of several global initiatives including the Club of Rome‘s Planetary Emergency Partnership, one of five core co-authors of the 2020 paper World Scientists’ Warning of a Climate Emergency, lead author of the action-focused 2021 World Scientists’ Warnings into Action: Local to Global, second of 11 co-authors of the 2023 World Scientists’ Warning: the Behavioural Crisis Driving Ecological Overshoot, a provocative collaboration of scientists, educators and global marketing strategists.
She is also a major co-author of Earth at Risk: an Urgent Call to End the Age of Destruction and Forge a Just and Sustainable Future.
PG: Why does biodiversity not get the attention it rightly deserves?
PB: We do have a tunnel vision approach to our problems. I think it must be a function of our dominating western, colonizing society with its power relationships, reductionist science, individualism and broken relationship with Nature. We are used to looking at problems through a narrow gaze and as a result, we fail to see that virtually all our problems, whether societal or environmental, are as a result of common root causes. We don’t see our cultural dominance as part of the problem, but in my view it certainly is. We have a kind of disturbing human supremacy, and cultural arrogance, which also devalues and commodifies both our relationships with Nature, and with each other. This is desperately tragic.
The good news, though, of course is that by treating the root causes – which I see as our human numbers, appetites, and mindsets (or our population, hyper-consumption and attitudes), we can solve most of our problems all at once. And that requires a spiritual and values change, which will enable economic, social-cultural and political change. Everything flows from that.
“We have a kind of disturbing human supremacy, and cultural arrogance, which also devalues and commodifies both our relationships with Nature, and with each other”
PG: Don’t you think the political reality of today undermines bioregionalism?
PB: Yes, I do think so, especially in the USA and countries which have copied its economic and social approaches in the interests of building affluence. Australia and Canada especially come to mind, but also increasingly India, China, Brazil, Kazakhstan … the list goes on. It seems to be a particularly vile Commonwealth arrogance and profiteering mindset. Personally, and I’m invoking a family joke here, “if I were god,” I would probably place a selection of indigenous and tribal governments, and the governments of Bhutan, Costa Rica, Namibia and all the Nordic countries in charge of establishing a new global economy and united Earth Charter (I’m working on bringing all the siloed existing attempts together!) to guide governments who want to move into the future. Not every government will wish to do so, and maybe that’s fine. Let people vote with their feet, but we need to be aware that climate change is forcing people onto their feet by the hundreds of millions, too.
It is better that we manage land and waters via bioregions than by essentially colonial straight lines, or lines along rivers. African countries, and others, have been managing transboundary water basins and mountain ranges fairly effectively for decades with bioregional management. A North American-based global initiative, the Department of Bioregions, is trying to develop just that, with gentle but profound social and environmental reframing in the kind of society we wish to have, and how we might get there.
PG: Alaskan rivers are turning orange due to permafrost thawing? What are the adverse implications downstream?
PB: This is a truly distressing process. The thawing of permafrost – in the Northern Hemisphere, about one-fourth of the entire hemisphere – is unleashing a cascade of changes along with minerals like iron, cadmium, nickel and mercury, which turn rivers orange, acid, and biologically dead through acidity and toxicity. As a scientist said, “it’s a Pandora’s icebox of unexpected consequences.” The implications of this for tundra biodiversity, including for human settlements and cities downstream, are profound.
“But for those who have taken care of these lands for millennia, the removal of dams allows immense healing to be done from many wounds of land theft, genocide and cultural and economic wounds.”
To me, this shows how we are entering a whirlwind of dynamic planetary change – but it’s worse than that sounds. It’s an ecological unraveling at huge scale and rapid speed. Now, this must have happened with every rapid thaw of the planet after ice ages. We know that Earth is incredibly dynamic, with speciation often happening explosively, and extinction happening, well, like an oxygen-choked implosion. But although we scientists are still trying to assess its impacts, they will inevitably be severe. They will inevitably cause extinctions, human and other species illness, and the loss of Indigenous cultures and settlements in the far North. To my knowledge, we have never seen such events at such scale in recorded human history.
PG: Early days of hydro-dams being dismantled and rivers being freed. Is it good news for salmons, Indigenous Peoples?
PB: Yes, of course it is great news. Rivers are the lifeblood for all of us, and especially for salmon and Indigenous river tribes – all the tribes in the coastal Pacific Northwest are salmon people. An elder of the Lower Elwha Tribe, whom I met one evening at a student conference, spoke to me about the degree to which his people could breathe again, with the river running free. I also feel that way. But for those who have taken care of these lands for millennia, the removal of dams allows immense healing to be done from many wounds of land theft, genocide and cultural and economic wounds.
I am lucky to live on the only river – the Skagit River which runs from highlands in Canada down through the Cascade Mountains to an estuary at Fir Island, Washington – with all five salmon species – Chinook, coho, pink, sockeye, and chum. It’s the only river in Washington State with healthy populations of all five, and one of only a few watersheds in the entire continental USA. Cutting off these rivers with dams is not only a cultural affront and obscenity, it’s also of course an ecological obscenity with many consequences for river and ocean fauna and flora. Among these consequences is the endangerment of predators like orcas, Southern Resident Killer Whales, which are culturally, ecologically and economically important to virtually all people in our region.
PG: Deforestation of boreal forests/ old growth (whatever is left) goes on relentlessly? To top it all – fossil fuel extraction. Aren’t these recipes for irreversible disaster?
PB: Yes. A sure shot recipe. And yes, irreversible on a human timescale. Perhaps not in an aeon timescale, but we are leaving a gravely denuded, abused, depleted world crying out from our abuse. Surely we can learn better from our horrendous mistakes of the last two centuries of western individualism, extraction, profiteering, domination, and entitlement.
PG: Indiscriminate use of glyphosate and aggressive firefighting – ignoring Indigenous practices. Where are we headed?
PB: The USA is particularly corrupt in this way. I say corrupt because it’s not just ignorant management that leads people to use glyphosate or to prioritize timberlands, it’s the inevitable consequence of deliberate profiteering, corruption of policymakers, and an extractive, entitlement mentality. Most of us are by now completely aware how horrific this corruption is. The trouble is, unlike many African, Asian and European countries, this corruption in the USA is alarmingly quite legal. And, of course, those who benefit from the system are finding cruel and ridiculous ways to protect their interests.
“The trouble is, unlike many African, Asian and European countries, this corruption in the USA is alarmingly quite legal”
As I sometimes say about our path forward: the road is short (to 2030 and 2050), the hill is steep, the odds are long, and the vested interests have sharp teeth and claws. But we have no choice but to face them down, or risk annihilation for our own species and literally millions of others.
PG: What is your vision for the Cascadia bio-region? How could it be replicated in other unique bio-regions?
PB: I am happy to say that many people in the Cascadia bioregion share my vision – of a kinder, wiser, more humble, much more collaborative and sustainable society which has learned from its mistakes and lives much more lightly. In this vision, which isn’t a utopia, but certainly has retreated from its headlong hurdle towards dystopia, people with historical or recent wealth – and we have thousands in our area, especially in Seattle – have joined those few millionaires and billionaires who actually are leading change.
We will have a highly democratic and much more egalitarian style of governance, rooted in the progressive ideals that this region is known for but learning to listen to those of more conservative mindsets. We will have learned to work in a unifying way to repair our watersheds, forests and farmlands. It will be a slow process, and there will be many stresses, especially from those who resist change and wish to dominate the economy. But our vision is regenerative, collaborative, and nourishing, and we believe enough people will come to join us in time.
PG: Grateful thanks for these candid insights, Phoebe. My best wishes for your sense of optimism despite all that is happening around, as of now.
“A bird doesn’t sing because it has an answer, it sings because it has a song” – Maya Angelou
This meditative seagull is a resident of Centennial Park, Puget Sound
Birds, bees, butterflies are angels of biodiversity and ecological services (BECS). The hardy service providers that keep Nature abuzz have a critical mission. Over half the world’s total GDP – is moderately or highly dependent on nature and its services and, as a result, exposed to risks from nature. It wouldn’t take rocket science to figure out what might result if say birds went amiss.
Last three months of closely following the US media there was one thing that gave me hope. Despite all the flooding, drought, hurricanes and forest fires news – it was the serious concern for one of nature’s great wonders – migrating birds.
As they seasonally flit between breeding and wintering grounds twice a year. North to south or south to north. It is an inherently risky process, due to predation and mortality.
Turn off the lights
“Keep an eye out for feathered friends Thursday night”, reminds the Iowa Department of Natural Resources (DNR). It recommended that “Iowans be courteous and keep off unnecessary lighting to help birds find their way and reduce collisions…Keep your small pets inside, too”.
The Cornell Lab of Ornithology said peak migration traffic in Iowa includes more than 400,000 birds. Just Wednesday night, nearly 100,000 flew across the state”.
Birds usually begin to migrate 30 to 45 minutes after sunset, with the greatest number in flight two to three hours later, The Cornell Lab of Ornithology said online.
The eastern wood-peewee, American redstart, magnolia warbler and more will be among the nocturnal migrants in Iowa, according to The Cornell Lab of Ornithology.
“City lights confuse them as birds migrate into Oklahoma” – experts urge people to turn off lights at night.
Meditative to a yogic mode…
Virtues
What birds eat is often just as ecologically important as where they poop. For example, many birds are voracious predators of pests. Barn Swallows can consume as many as 60 insects an hour. Over an agricultural field, swallows rescue pest-prone crops and leave more food for us.
And installing Barn Owl boxes on farms reduces populations of destructive rodents, like gophers. Similarly, putting up nest boxes for Western Bluebirds can save grapes on vineyards. In this way, promoting and protecting bird habitat is a great alternative to widely used, harmful pesticides.
Night sky
Wisconsin naturalist Bill Volkert quoted in WPR: “During peak migration, more than 15 million birds can journey through Wisconsin skies in one night. These species join thousands of other birds making their way south for the winter”.
Hundreds of thousands of birds are migrating over the Pittsburgh area. Here’s how you can mitigate light pollution says CBS News. Peak migration season is typically mid-August to mid-October, and 200 million birds are predicted to migrate across the country on Monday night, it says.
They migrate at night because they use the stars and the moon to help with navigation,” said Rachel Handel, the communications director for the Audubon Society of Western Pennsylvania.
But Handel says Light pollution can be a big problem for birds on the move, says Handel. “That could be as big as stadium lights or really as small as keeping a light on in your home late at night. Those lights can distract the birds when they’re flying. That can lead to overexertion, that can lead to them becoming confused.”
Helping the hummingbirds
From Alaska to Mexico, many hummingbirds travel astonishing distances during late summer. These colorful pollinators will be spotted in many states as they journey southwards. In northern, cooler US hardiness zones, such as in Alaska or Michigan, this migration will happen much sooner than in southern locations, such as California or Florida, where some hummingbirds may even remain for the winter.
“There are hundreds of native flowers that attract hummingbirds. Here in Florida, hummingbirds love to feast on the nectar of flame vine, fire bush or the firecracker plant, just be sure to leave blooms and stems on the plant until the fall”, advises wildlife expert Melissa Lackey
A recent study by the University of Wyoming confirms the importance of native plants, stating that many hummingbird species are specialists, feeding only on one or a few species of flowering plants. Ensuring that we grow native plants in our yards is, therefore, vital.
Sadly, over 191 hummingbird species from across the Americas are experiencing declining population trends, but there are ways you can help native species as they commence their migration – here are some wildlife garden ideas from homesandgardens.com
Teaming up
And did you know that different bird species may team up for migration. A new study in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences suggests that this mixing and mingling might not be coincidental.
Different bird species could have their own social networks that might boost each other’s survival.
Increasingly dangerous
Migrating birds will face many challenges during their flights south. Their winter and summer habitats are shrinking, as well as the stopover sites they use as refuge while they rest and refuel. There are tall buildings with deceiving windows, looming communication towers and predatory outdoor cats.
Essentially the world is getting more dangerous for birds, reminds Volkert.
Evolved with hurricanes
Both Hurricane Milton and Helene coincide with the fall migration of birds in North America. Scientists say such storms can be deadly for birds, but many species have ways to cope with hurricanes; some even benefit, writes Mongabay.
Birds evolved with hurricanes but climate change is fueling more frequent strong storms, and that change in intensity “has the potential to change migration patterns in ways that we don’t necessarily understand,” Andrew Farnsworth, visiting scientist at the Cornell Lab of Ornithology, quoted by Mongabay.
An appeal
“Join the 10 Million Acre Challenge and bring habitat back for birds with American Bird Conservancy (ABC)!” Goes this appeal.
Over the past 30 years, thanks to dedicated members and supporters, ABC has helped conserve millions of acres of habitat for birds. More than 3,000 bird species, many of them endangered or declining in population, have now benefited from habitat conserved by ABC and its dozens of partners. That’s 30% of the world’s total bird species!
We need them
Birds make big contributions across habitats, and they’re crucial for people and the planet to thrive. When avian species are lost, their particular functions and benefits disappear, too. And introduced species can’t easily replace the critical roles of native ones, according to a new study published in Science Advances. That means holding onto the bird diversity we have is paramount.
Birds are canaries in the coal mine. Can we afford another Silent Spring?
October 4, 2024
Alexander Martin writes: https://therecord.media/cyber-insurance-ransomware-payments-anne-neuberger-op-ed
Does #insurance incentivize #extortion payments in #ransomware attacks?
Chartered Insurance Institute Blog
October 3, 2024
https://thejournal.cii.co.uk/2024/10/03/dangers-new-asbestos
Illuminem
October 2, 2024
My blog interview also published here:
Talking to the inimitable Dr. Mark Trexler is always a pleasure.
If you do wish to indulge in some ‘Trexlerian’ wit in the Time of #ClimateBreakdown, this is what you will surely find here:
Tells me why all students at Arizona State University, beginning this fall, must take a class on sustainability – “is a great initiative, although seems radically insufficient and decades too late in coming!’’
Recognises: “Systems thinking is a prerequisite to solving problems, but is far from the solution”.
The role of Milton Friedman (and Ayn Rand) in landing us where we are today.
“An obvious contradiction between focusing on shareholder returns while promoting voluntary pursuit of ESG”.
“Why would we expect insurers (or any company) to really prioritize double materiality?”
That insurers “are probably one of the most resilient sectors to physical climate risks, and they’ll make money as other risks get worse as well”.
And: “If we prohibited insurance companies from rapidly increasing premiums, or dropping lots of policies, in principle we would incentivize them to take climate change more seriously”.
September 29
Shared on LinkedIn: from the Week
Author and former diplomat Navtej Sarna paints an unfolding dystopia.
Were the Homo sapiens ever so resolved to self-destroy? Does it matter if we butcher the keystone species, pollute the Planet, destroy the magical Biodiversity?
Does it really matter if some idiots question ‘what climate change’? Does it matter “when widows howl and orphans cry”? Were we ever so close to success?
https://www.theweek.in/columns/navtej-sarna/2024/09/28/when-widows-howl-and-orphans-cry.amp.html
Reshared on LinkedIn
September 28, 2024
An #uninsurable #home isn’t great: Growing #insurance crisis in the US.
https://lnkd.in/dHESRyqY
https://fortune.com/2024/09/27/home-listings-climate-risks-zillow-floods-wildfire-extreme-heat-wind/
Dr. Mark C. Trexler directs the Climatographers’ work on climate risk knowledge management. He was previously Director of Climate Risk for DNV based in Oslo, Norway, and prior to that directed Global Consulting Services for EcoSecurities. His work on climate change dates back to the World Resources Institute (1988-1991), and as President of Trexler Climate + Energy Services (TC+ES) from 1991 to 2007. TC+ES was the first consulting firm in the United States to specialize in business climate change risk management.
In addition to private-sector clients around the world, Mark has worked with national and international clients including The Nature Conservancy, the United Nations Development Programme, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, and the Global Environment Facility.
Mark is widely published on the technical and policy issues relating to climate change mitigation and carbon markets, has served as a Lead Author for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), and is a member of the editorial board of Mitigation and Adaptation Strategies, a leading climate journal. Mark’s graduate degrees are from UC Berkeley, he has spent almost 10 years living abroad, and speaks five languages.
PG: Beginning this fall, all students at Arizona State University are now also required to take a class on sustainability. How good a beginning and what should follow next?
MT: When you and I were on the phone I think I recall seeing a reference to the fact this requirement could be met with a course in wildlife conservation. I thought that was silly. But when I did go deeper into the actual requirement this is what I find:
“The Sustainability requirement provides students with an interdisciplinary understanding of socio-ecological systems in relation to global challenges and opportunities. The learning objectives emphasize systems thinking, where human and non-human systems are understood as intimately connected, with human actions affecting all life on a planet with limits and boundaries. Students should also become familiar with how cultural, political, economic, social and ethical beliefs, practices and systems are related to and impact planetary systems. Students will use course concepts and systems and futures thinking to address contemporary questions or challenges.
Learning outcomes
Upon completion of a course in Sustainability, students will be able to do the following:
- demonstrate an understanding of the earth and its ecosphere, including the measures that indicate their capacities and limits
- trace historical impacts of a range of socio-economic, political or cultural choices on integrated human-environmental well-being
- envision pathways toward futures characterized by integrated human-environmental well-being
- articulate an approach to addressing contemporary questions or challenges that employs concepts or practices of sustainability”
That doesn’t sound half-bad! Don’t really know why it’s called a “sustainability requirement,” which is pretty close to being a meaningless term. In terms of the content, I think it’s appalling in today’s world that most students are graduating from college having met math requirements that they’ll never have use for again, while this kind of absolutely foundational understanding of human/environmental systems is apparently not required at all. So I guess this is a great initiative, although seems radically insufficient and decades too late in coming!
“It’s appalling in today’s world that most students are graduating from college having met math requirements that they’ll never have use for again, while this kind of absolutely foundational understanding of human/environmental systems is apparently not required at all.
PG: As a champion of systems thinking, do you believe that to be the ideal way forward?
MT: Well, that makes it sounds like systems thinking could be “the” silver bullet. Yet that is entirely at odds with the whole premise of systems thinking. I think systems thinking is critical to tackling any Risk 2.0 problem in today’s world. But that’s just the beginning of the story. You still have to figure out how to communicate, teach, and learn the substance of the system you’re talking about (at whatever level is appropriate, from K-12 on up). Systems thinking is a prerequisite to solving problems, but is far from the solution.
PG: How do you reconcile with the fact that Jack Welch, “The Man Who Broke Capitalism” and “destroyer of corporate America”, continues to inspire multiple generations. As does Ayn Rand?
MT: You know, I’d have a hard time besting ChatGPT’s answer to this question! https://chatgpt.com/share/66f5e6ac-ec98-800d-838b-4485c11de632 😊 😊 There’s one paragraph in there that strikes me as particularly telling. Namely that successful people (and the people that want to emulate them) have every confirmation bias reason to want to believe that it was THEIR individual traits and hard work that accounts for their success, and that if government would just get out of the way they could accomplish so much more that could then trickle down to everyone else. That is clearly the story that will make them feel best about themselves. It’s sort of like asking whether the King of England believes in the monarchy and expecting a “no.” It’s almost a tautological question.
PG: While Welch credited Peter Drucker as his inspiration – he amplified Milton Friedman’s mantra on shareholder. Hasn’t it brought us where we are/headed?
MT: Well, in many respects Peter Drucker’s focus on management efficiency and Milton Friedman’s focus on shareholder returns are perfectly consistent. And in all fairness to Milton Friedman, companies were ignoring economic externalities long before Milton Friedman gave them “permission” to do so in the interests of shareholders. I suspect that Milton Friedman might have recognized the “small world model” nature of his argument, and might have argued that as part of that small world model government is regulating companies to ensure that necessary externalities are internalized.
“”And the oil companies have done their best to interfere with efforts to solve that problem, but that is a far cry from demonstrating that they “caused” the problem.
In some ways suggesting that Milton Friedman has brought us to where we are/headed is analogous to saying that oil company misinformation has brought us to where we are/headed on climate change. There is certainly an element of truth there, and easy to treat Friedman and oil companies as the scapegoat. But in the case of climate change, the much bigger issue is that fossil fuels are an amazingly convenient and low-cost way of powering things like industrial revolutions, economic growth, and the global middle class. They just have “one small problem” in the form of releasing millions of years of natural carbon storage back into the atmosphere in a very short timeframe. And the oil companies have done their best to interfere with efforts to solve that problem, but that is a far cry from demonstrating that they “caused” the problem.
PG: Do you think this ongoing obsession with shareholders undermines the effectiveness of Environmental, Social and Governance (ESG)?
MT: There is an obvious contradiction between focusing on shareholder returns while promoting voluntary pursuit of ESG. Focusing on shareholder concerns implicitly gives a company permission to heavily discount the future, to take advantage of economic externalities, to play down worker health and safety, et., all of which are fundamentally at odds with the stated goals of ESG. In what world can both be achieved? Certainly not in a world in which everything is left up to companies to decide, without the guidance of public policies and measures.
PG: Could this overarching influence also be responsible for insurers missing out on the double materiality and thus continue being reactive?
MT: In what sense are insurers “missing out on double materiality?” Why would we expect insurers (or any company) to really prioritize double materiality? Why is it their responsibility to look out for societal interests under our economic and political systems?
“Insurance companies have a lot of flexibility to adapt to climate change by changing premiums, by changing what they will insure, etc. etc.
PG: What must immediately change if insurers must make a course correction to educate the rank and file?
MT: Again, why “must they” make a course correction. Insurance companies have a lot of flexibility to adapt to climate change by changing premiums, by changing what they will insure, etc. etc. They are probably one of the most resilient sectors to physical climate risks, and they’ll make money as other risks get worse as well. I’ve never figured out why we would expect insurance companies to lead the charge when it comes to educating the rank and file. If we prohibited insurance companies from rapidly increasing premiums, or dropping lots of policies, in principle we would incentivize them to take climate change more seriously. But at this point we’d probably just be pushing them towards bankruptcy (since it will take too much time to change the course of climate change).
PG: Many thanks Mark for this very ‘Trexlerian’ perspective! Much appreciate your sense of humour in the Time of Climate Breakdown.
The Diversity Blog 