Read on illuminem: August 31, 2022
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In an in-depth interview, Praveen Gupta spoke with Dr. Kinnari Bhatt on the importance of land rights and the protection of local communities. The interview was originally published on www.thediversityblog.com.
Dr. Kinnari is a widely published & influential solicitor, and the founder of Surya Advisory, an ethical business and just transition legal advisory firm.

Praveen Gupta: Don’t you think more women from Global South need to be inducted into global climate leadership including the COP?
Lilian Motaroki: Given the gender differentiated impacts of climate change, women need to be at the fore front of climate action. For them to do this, inclusion must start from the local/community levels where the impacts are felt most, through to the national, regional and global levels. In the agriculture sector, where I have worked for a few years now, there are serious gender gaps in productivity owing to the constraints that women face in production despite contributing most of the labor. Inducting more women into global climate leadership will lead to better prioritisation of gender dimensions decision making, policy and in implementation programmes.
Global forums like the conference of parties (COP) that happens every year and the constituted bodies of the UNFCCC continue to exhibit limited engagement of women owing to different structural issues and barriers.
Global forums like the conference of parties (COP) that happens every year and the constituted bodies of the UNFCCC continue to exhibit limited engagement of women owing to different structural issues and barriers. The number of women that are represented in national delegations or serving as heads or deputy heads of delegations, robbing them of positions with the most power. The 2020 UNFCCC gender composition report showed that only 27% of all the heads and deputy heads of delegation were women and the numbers dropped further when considering women from developing countries.
Both the preamble of the Paris Agreement and the Lima Work Programme on Gender acknowledge the critical need for the participation and meaningful engagement of women in climate action. This will ensure that women’s needs and priorities, their voice as well as leadership are taken into account in policy and decision-making processes, ultimately enhancing sustainable climate action and closing gender gaps in production sectors like agriculture.
PG: How do you think a larger role for women would make the desired difference to the Climate agenda?
LM: The meaningful engagement and participation of women is vital if we are to achieve gender and socially transformative climate action. There is adequate data in literature to show the positive implications of giving women a larger role in climate leadership in for example policy making, research, implementation among others. In the agriculture sector for example, estimates show that closing the gender gap through actions like increased access to resources would increase agricultural output from 2.5% to 4% and reduce the number of hungry people from 12% to 17% globally.
Participation and meaningful engagement of women in decision-making at national and global level will ensure the formulation of gender responsive policies with clear action plans for implementation. Women in the global south also have high knowledge and skills owing to their stewardship roles for natural resources, especially land and water. That can be leveraged to build resilience and conserve the environment. By taking on a greater role in climate leadership, women can create wins for many areas including climate action, gender equity, food security, poverty reduction among others, contributing to not only climate goals but also sustainable development goals.
PG: Africa has borne the serious repercussions of colonialism. The Global North continues to exploit the abundant resources of Africa. How would you like COP27 to address this?
LM: We have to acknowledge that although people in the global south have contributed the least in causing the climate crisis, they suffer the most from the impacts, owing to limited adaptive capacity and high levels of vulnerability. If those responsible for the climate crisis do not support the global south with means for building resilience and cutting emissions, there is a risk that the global south will get on the same development pathways used by the West, driven by dirty fossil fuels. This would make it impossible to realise the Paris Agreement ambition to maintain global temperatures to below 2 degrees Celsius, spelling a code red for humanity.
The colonial legacies of the past continue to be seen in the actions of developed countries today, where despite achieving their ‘developed’ status by exploiting resources from the south, they continue to burden them with debt, even when addressing issues like climate change for which they are most responsible. Currently, governance for climate finance is oppressive and has not worked to advance global climate justice.
COP27 should consider options for making new and additional financing accessible to the global south to address other challenges beyond climate change, including sustainable development and disaster risk reduction, without forcing the countries to accumulate more debt.
The West failed to deliver their $100 billion by 2020 commitment. A key priority for COP27 should be to consider a new quantified climate finance goal, built on trust to ensure that there is adequate and predictable financing accessible to the global south to facilitate effective climate action. COP27 should consider options for making new and additional financing accessible to the global south to address other challenges beyond climate change, including sustainable development and disaster risk reduction, without forcing the countries to accumulate more debt. Moreover, COP 27 should call for debt cancellation for developing countries so they can use their domestic revenue to advance climate action and pursue sustainable development.
Importantly, it’s about time that the global north realises the need to pursue more ethical and equitable partnerships with their partners in the global south. This will ensure that communities in the global south have a say in their adaptation investment priorities and that funding gets to those that need it the most. Equitable partnerships will also help to transform the financing landscapes with donors providing adequate and more predictable financing with minimal transaction costs and limited use of intermediaries so that at least 70% of climate finance gets to the local level where action is most needed.
Ethical and equitable partnerships are key to climate justice and decolonising the climate agenda. The new quantified goal on climate finance is an opportunity for the developed countries to redress past failures…
Ethical and equitable partnerships are key to climate justice and decolonising the climate agenda. The new quantified goal on climate finance is an opportunity for the developed countries to redress past failures, ensuring there is accountability, ethical and equitable partnerships and getting support to the poorest and most vulnerable.
PG: Given your work in the science-policy interface within the context of climate change, agriculture and gender – how do you facilitate long-term low carbon climate resilient development (LTS)? How do you blend this with gender and social inclusion.
LM: The Paris Agreement calls upon countries to formulate their long-term low carbon climate resilient strategies (LTS). The LTS provides a bold vision for adaptation and mitigation within which countries can formulate short, medium and long-term investments for enhanced resilience and low emissions, while guiding countries to update their nationally determined contributions. The LTS also ensures that countries undertake their long-term development planning in the context of climate risks, using a multisectoral and whole of society approach, working across all segments of society and using an integrated approach to adaptation, resilience and mitigation.
With my unique positioning at the science policy interface, I am currently supporting the implementation of the Least Developed Countries (LDC) Initiative for Effective Adaptation and Resilience (LIFE AR). LIFE AR is an LDC-led and LDC-owned initiative, that is using a business unusual approach to achieve the LDC 2050 Vision for climate resilient people, economies and landscapes.
The initiative is hinged on 5 key principles including the LDCs and development partners working together on a shared and equal platform, using an integrated approach to adaptation, resilience and mitigation, providing adequate and predictable financing for climate action with at least 70% reaching the local level, strengthening in country climate capabilities, systems and structures at national and local and promoting gender and social inclusion (GESI). This is meant to ensure effective governance in climate decision, leaving no one behind. The initiative is currently being implemented in 6 front runner LDC countries that will work to identify delivery mechanisms to flow funds to support adaptation and resilience investments that will contribute not just to climate action but also to the long-term vision for development in their countries.
PG: Many thanks Lilian for these fantastic insights. My best wishes for your leadership.

Praveen Gupta: Why are land rights so important? Particularly forest lands? What makes indigenous people a critical component of this?
Kinnari Bhatt: Simply put, because of the relationships that indigenous peoples, local communities and forest dwellers have to land. It is a non-monetary, reciprocal and respectful relationship of human tendering, stewarding and protection of intact forests. That is not something to be explored and exploited based on economic commodification of land.
We know that the successful human tendering, stewarding and protection of intact forests, nature and forest landscapes is now directly linked with secure, formal or customary community tenure over land, territory and resources. And heavy hitting science publications tell us that securing indigenous peoples and forest dwellers rights to land, particularly in forested areas will go a long way in reducing carbon emissions, protecting our largest carbon sinks and keeping carbon in the places where it is meant to be.
Climate change generally tends to frighten people but nature strikes a different chord in the heart. It is valued and this is a very different narrative. If we value nature, we value intact forests, biodiversity in all its forms. Securing land rights, strengthening local indigenous led governance and sustaining those has to be our number one priority. Sadly, I think that the international community has largely left out the important role of indigenous peoples and forest dwellers from climate conversations.
Lawyers also need to get on board but I think that this topic falls into the ‘too radical’ box for many of them. Actually I think it would be very helpful for lawyers to start to understand property rights in their relationship with indigenous rights as our legal frameworks are systemically rooted in dispossessing indigenous people. Many practising lawyers sitting in global legal centres like London do not see these connections or do see them and think of them as part of normal costs of doing business. This is an out of touch legal mentality and at its essence, quite colonial.
We need to understand these problems at the root and find solutions which go back to first principles of equity, inclusion and sustainable development. This means re-writing basic rules. So it’s radical but that sort of transformative change in legal thinking and practice is urgently needed. It cannot be ‘Business As Usual’ (BAU). Lawyers need to support this although for many that’s a controversial proposition.
PG: How effective is the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples (UNDRIP)?
KB: I think it’s been an effective law and development tool for two reasons. First, as it finally puts the rights of indigenous peoples to social justice, equality, non-discrimination, development and dignity into a legal document – albeit one that is not binding on states. Crucially, the UNDRIP places indigenous peoples’ rights into part of an historical set of rights based on land and a history in which indigenous peoples’ had rights forcibly removed. That includes the right to freely pursue ones economic, social and cultural development and the right not to be forcibly removed without consent or just compensation.
Second, I see the UNDRIP as a living document which has been valuable for articulating the special rights of indigenous peoples’ and placing them in both an historical and contemporary lens. These are as important today as they were in the past. Indigenous peoples’ face threats from governments and companies for scaling up projects for natural resource extraction, biodiversity preservation, energy and infrastructure needs and the critical minerals needed for our capital and technology heavy energy transition – think of all those batteries and components for solar, for instance.
Toady’s conflicts, even killings and criminalisation, are actually still based on the same historical problem – the lack of legal recognition of land rights at the local level. This lack of legal recognition creates a vacuum which can be framed by governments, politicians and companies as trumped up charges of indigenous peoples’ causing environmental or biodiversity destruction, being anti-development or anti-green.

In our pursuit of a sustainable future it is imperative that decisions around the land and resources needed for our global transition and to meet the Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs) include at the earliest stage of planning, local community and indigenous led participation. For that we need to build multi-level and multi-stakeholder capacity about the social, environmental and developmental value of indigenous rights and I think for this endeavour the UNDRIP is useful. Especially when it is discussed alongside things such as the IPCC report which makes the strong case for indigenous rights and stewardship as a natural solution.
That said, there is room for improvement in the implementation of the UNDRIP as part of the UN Guiding Principles on Business and Human Rights (UNGPs). This hasn’t been comprehensively looked at yet. As a starting point we need to conduct large scale private sector awareness raising and then go deeper into a number of practical issues such as the development of effective mechanisms at project and national level and free, prior and informed consent (FPIC) protocols for engagement. The UNDRIP has not had a fruitful ‘implementation’ conversation with the UNGPs yet but hopefully this will change.
PG: Local communities and indigenous people continue to live under several threats. Scaling-up efforts to secure community land rights represents the world’s single greatest opportunities to act?
We also now know that there is a link between protecting land rights, keeping forests intact and the prevention of future pandemics. So there is a multiplier effect and securing land rights is a completely viable option.
KB: Yes, I agree. We know that ensuring indigenous land rights leads to two to three times less deforestation, increased levels of biodiversity and reduced emissions – making this approach more effective than virtually any other strategy. We also now know that there is a link between protecting land rights, keeping forests intact and the prevention of future pandemics. So there is a multiplier effect and securing land rights is a completely viable option.
Many great organisations and people have been working in this area for years. I think the global community has to give them far more support so that they can continue this and double down on the work that has already been done. This entails not only using policy, law and legislation that recognise rights to land and biodiversity but also nail that through the lens of intergenerational guardianship. We now have to take and apply this to many different contexts of just transition, business and finance.
PG: How do the design and coherence problems within financial & commercial legal and regulatory frameworks work to routinely displace land rights?
KB: There are a number of design and coherence deficits. Corporates and financiers have developed a variety of tool and standards aimed at identifying, measuring and mitigating the risks of investing in sustainable development projects that have the potential to harm local communities and indigenous people (LCIPs). I think that these tools have the potential for empowering and including LCIPs in development projects but current market standard legal terms and ESG frameworks are focused on shifting ESG risk away or relegating risks from the responsibility of financiers and companies. Over 20 years of complaints to ombudsman mechanisms that while these instruments are good at identifying and mitigating risk to corporations, investors and financiers – they are not adequate for producing human rights or environmentally compliant outcomes for communities.
There are shortcomings in the content, timing, authenticity and a lack of understanding of the private financial architecture in which they are embedded. Here are three design and coherence problems:
1. Current tools and standards are embedded within the private financial legal architecture of a given project and its surrounding terms, practices and culture – all of which have the capacity to sideline LCIP considerations at key moments in the project life cycle.
2. Market practice around the design and implementation of action plans, performance standards and loan agreements, mean that the legal content fails to capture the full constitutional, national, regulatory and ombudsman legal ecosystem which applies to a project.
3. Action plans and lender performance standards enter the project ecosystem too late to make any meaningful impact. Project timeframes do not allow for developing preemptive and practical FPIC policies and protocols, land and benefit sharing agreements or for inserting a culture of do no harm at early design stage.
There are more. I am producing a policy paper on this issue (coming out soon) and what we can do to fix it.
PG: Why are communally held land rights or those under traditional and collective ownerships often not recognised? What in your view is the status of women?
KB: Many reasons but in my experience, most of them come down to economics – governments and investors want to exploit land and natural resources – and prejudice that indigenous people are not capable or able to govern their own territories. This has been the rationale since colonial times and it continues – those with power treated the indigenous people as dispensable and forests as commodities. Governments were and continue to be instrumental to dispossession and criminalisation of communities, and now more and more so along side with companies and financiers. Our economic and legal systems are weighted in favour of continuing this situation.
I think things are changing (slowly) due to societal pressures, litigation and investor concerns. And we also have growing attention to these issues within EU laws and the British government is taking indigenous rights seriously in its international climate finance agenda. We need to see if the commitments are honoured and how the money is disbursed.
From what I understand, women face specific barriers to accessing their land rights so it is important to look at these issues. Experiences of indigenous women are different from indigenous men and women’s issues tend to be neglected or subsumed by male perspectives.
From what I understand, women face specific barriers to accessing their land rights so it is important to look at these issues. Experiences of indigenous women are different from indigenous men and women’s issues tend to be neglected or subsumed by male perspectives. I think that women’s land rights are being talked about more now. However more investment is needed to help NGOs on the ground address legal barriers and provide legal, institutional and empowerment support for reforming and implementing land frameworks to take women’s issues into account.
I mean we can all find commercial and constitutional laws of a country but is it that easy to find family , inheritance and succession laws – laws governing household and familial relations, if they even exist in the first place. And this is a problem but a problem that lawyers can help to fix.
I would like to stress that I am not a women’s rights expert and for those that are interested in knowing more I encourage them to follow to the trailblazing work of Resource Equity.
PG: What needs to be done to secure land rights as part of the ESG?
KB: Well we need to get to the heart of the matter – money and the economic incentives and supporting legal structures which cause dispossession and deforestation.
At the national and local state level there is a need for legal and institutional capacity building and then policies/subsidies that incentivise protection and sustenance of land and forest rights. There is also the work that need to be done in empowering local communities to know and use their rights. This obviously comes with hazards for those communities and so this needs to be done and scaled very carefully.
Another pathway would be for companies to first of all educate themselves on the ‘S’ in ESG and do risk assessments of whether there are human rights and land related exposures within their supply chains – not just tier one but further down. They need to allocate money and time to this process. They need to set up funds to assist suppliers further down the chain to do the due diligence and they need to think about their supply contracts. There needs to be a more than compliance ‘tick the box’ approach but I think the vast majority of companies and C-suite first need to educate themselves on this issue and take it seriously by devoting senior time and budget to the work and hiring of experts if those are not available in-house.
Beautiful corporate policy statements will no longer cut it and in fact, companies should be far more concerned about litigation, negative publicity and loss of customers if they are unable to back up their statements with action and implementation. Or for banks that invest in these sorts of projects – worried about having to put more money into their prudential regulatory obligations for maintaining capital as that is coming, I think.

of the Nallamalla forest (and later to other forest tribes & forest dwellers in India).
PG: Why and how are land rights coming under pressure from greenwashing – say carbon credit projects?
KB: This is an area that we need to be really mindful of. There is so much to say. I’ll start with what we don’t want and then what we do want.
What we do not want at any cost are situations where any type of investment and finance to or with communities is done through traditional market based legal and compliance methods which can have disastrous impacts on communities. We need to heed lessons from some of the awful outcomes of microfinancing in places like India where vulnerable people lost land and livelihoods and committed suicide because they could not repay loans. Any investment vehicle designed for sustaining long term stewardship and economic independence of communities must be structured and governed in new ways.
We need new finance norms and principles based on trust and crucially, rooted in legal norms found in the human rights and loss and damage fields. This is not unheard of as the mandate of the Green Climate Fund (GCF) – the funding mechanism for the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) is grounded in principles of equity and addressing vulnerabilities. And the GCF emphasises transformation and paradigm shift approaches to finance – not BAU.
We need to translate these broad legal principles into indigenous led structures and compliance mechanisms so that direct access to finance for communities becomes possible and scalable. I think that this is going to be a challenge for our legal and economic structures and BAU mindsets – we need more spaces for radical thinking. Large donors and funders must be prepared to give up space by re-thinking traditional modes of compliance and verification requirements, if they want to be part of this solution.
We will need to investigate what types and kinds of partnerships are possible with different players and whether they are open to being more flexible. We need to do things differently – that is a big responsibility and a challenge but an exciting one. I think that for too long they have overestimated risk and underestimated the benefit of giving direct funding to groups.
I am also quite concerned about the push towards conservation and biodiversity finance and the overall 30×30 agenda as this has the potential for new forms of encroachment and displacement. I am beginning to see human rights principles being developed but as with all things, the devil will be in the implementation. But with all of the instruments that will be put on the table soon – carbon credits, cooperatives, debt for nature swaps etc, the essential point is that they must be driven by indigenous communities and local intermediaries that hold trust with those communities.
PG: Many thanks Dr. Bhatt for throwing light on some very critical and sensitive areas of your work. Also, appreciate insights into your book. I am sure it will prove to be a pathbreaking work.
Sanctuary Asia Cover Story: August 2022
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Honoured to co-author this essay for Sanctuary Asia with its founding editor and an iconic champion of Nature – Bittu Sahgal! The Sanctuary Debate 2022: Do YOU Believe That Environmentalists Have Become Merchants of Dystopia and Doom? forms the backdrop to the essay.
As I sat down to write my part, the temperature had breached 45C. Did it really matter how far up the mercury moved from there? Frequent power cuts – nudged me to return to Mumbai. I thought there was nothing dystopian about the timing of the debate hosted at the Experimental Theatre, National Centre for Performing Arts (NCPA). It was an established reality. That this could be the ‘coolest’ summer ever – going forward – was indeed dystopian!
For a change the monsoon arrived in nick of time. Despite all the attendant woes, Mumbai felt heavenly. The heat-wave rapidly drifted across to Europe. The stage seemed set for Act 2. ‘NetZero’ was a molten resolve, coal reignited to beat the cruel heat and the case for ensuring a Greenhouse Gas buffered winter warmth was settled. A place each for gas and nuclear seemed assured in the hallowed portal of euro taxonomy.
What a coup for the fossil fuel industry! Is there a future for renewable energy? Yes, there is – if only we are serious about the well being of coming generations. There is enough science, knowledge and wisdom to get our biodiversity & eco-system back on track. Just one catch. Greed gets in the way. The choice is simple – survive or perish as a specie. The Planet can return to health, if left to itself.
https://thejournal.cii.co.uk/2022/07/29/can-insurers-catalyse-climate-actions
My latest blog for the Journal, Chartered Insurance Institute.
That the International Financial Reporting Standards (IFRS) finally overcame a big blind sustainability spot by inventing the ISSB (International Sustainability Standards Board) – in the hindsight – appears too good to be true.
“The ISSB needs to go back to the drawing board. I have seldom seen such a torrent of criticism about the inadequacy of proposals”, observes Professor Paul Watchman. “Torrent” is a really good description! It’s very difficult to keep up with all this feedback, adds Dr Raj Thamotheram.
Where is the big flaw? According to Bloomberg, “[ESG] ratings don’t measure a company’s impact on the Earth and society. In fact, they gauge the opposite: the potential impact of the world on the company and its shareholders.” Same is the case with the ISSB. One sided materiality.
“How can we reimagine our institutions and rebuild them so that they are truly effective for addressing the multiple existential threats we face?” I quote Ione Anderson. “Aligning the money-pipeline to investing for social and ecological returns” – as Bill Baue recently told me – deserves the highest rigour and vigour.
“I hope an independent journalist will help us analyse these comments”, wonders Dr Raj Thamotheram. Whatever that be – calls for a super-agile protocol not impeded by bureaucracy and analysis paralysis. Do we have that luxury, anymore?
Insurers cannot stay on the sidelines. They are the money pipeline, too. Catalysing climate action urgently beckons them to the mainstream. The stark warning from Vanessa Otto-Mentz and Marco Vet: “Picture a world that is uninsurable…” ought to be a wakeup call.

Baue currently serves as Senior Director of r3.0 (Redesign for Resilience & Regeneration), a not-for-profit common good that networks a global community of Positive Mavericks focused on transcending incrementalism to trigger necessary transformations that enact living systems principles. In this role, he serves as the Systems Convener for the Connecticut River Valley Bioregional Collaborative of the Capital Institute’s Regenerative Communities Network. His most recent major writing is as author of the White Paper From Monocapitalism to Multicapitalism: 21st Century System Value Creation (December 2020).
Baue has worked with prominent organizations across the sustainability ecosystem, including Audubon, Cabot Creamery Coop, Ceres, GE, Harvard, several United Nations agencies (UNCTAD, UNEP, UNGC, UNRISD, etc…), Walmart, and Worldwatch Institute. He serves on the Board of Co-op Power and as Senior Advisor to Preventable Surprises, and he is a certified Prosocial facilitator.
Bill enjoys camping, hiking, mountain climbing, kayaking, yoga, meditation, and dancing contact improvisation.
Praveen Gupta: You have recently cited the Lancet Planetary Health study: “Existing climate mitigation scenarios perpetuate colonial inequalities”. Would you wish to elaborate please?
Bill Baue: Sure! This study, by Jason Hickel and Aljosa Slamersak, reviewed 172 IPCC climate scenarios aligned with the Paris Agreement target of limiting warming to well below 2°C shooting for 1.5°C, and found that they essentially colonize the atmosphere by allocating more emissions allowances to the Global North (which is already disproportionately responsible for climate change) than to the Global South.
PG: You then go on to say: “The IPCC climate scenarios fail to take Global North / Global South inequities into account. Global South, therefore, deserves a longer runway”?
BB: Well, the first thing to know is that IPCC climate scenarios do actually integrate a degree of equity considerations, specifically taking into account differentiated capacity to achieve robust emissions reductions between the Global North and Global South. However, climate scenarios exist outside the IPCC databases that apply a more robust “equity tilt” that essentially not only accounts for imbalances in capacity to achieve emissions reductions between the Global North and South, but also takes into account imbalances of historic responsibility, which results in overburdening the Global North with emissions reductions expectations, and underburdening the Global South. Specifically, the Climate Equity Reference Project, and its Climate Equity Reference Calculator, created by researchers at the Stockholm Environmental Institute (and colleagues), embeds scenarios that enable users to dial up or down the level of responsibility and capability they wish to allocate between OECD regions (which generally align to the Global North) and non-OECD regions (which generally align to the Global South).
PG: It is nice to see white men and women taking up these historical inequities faced by the Global South. However, given the pace at which the climate tipping points are manifesting – do we have the luxury of an extra margin of time?
I believe that addressing historical inequalities supports this time-bound urgency, by calling on Global North regions to go beyond their own direct current responsibilities, adding to that their historical responsibilities.
BB: I fully agree on the urgency of immediate action, and I believe that addressing historical inequalities supports this time-bound urgency, by calling on Global North regions to go beyond their own direct current responsibilities, adding to that their historical responsibilities. This is possible due to the excess capital sloshing around in the Global North, looking for a place to invest. So what’s required is for folks in the Global North with excess capital to shift from only seeking investment with financial returns, to investing for social and ecological ‘returns’.
PG: Most rich white countries refuse to accept the climate debt they owe to poorer countries and communities arising from what Erin Fitz-Henry calls their ongoing “atmospheric colonisation”. Isn’t this a double whammy for the Global South?
BB: Absolutely. Part of the problem is that folks in rich white countries live in cognitive bubbles that insulate them from grokking the degree to which the conditions of their lives are predicated on centuries of systemic colonization, exploitation, extraction, and genocide. I live in the United States, and the historical record is absolutely clear that all of these dynamics have been consciously employed throughout our national history, yet this knowledge is, as they say, “unevenly distributed.” So, in order to gain acknowledgement and accountability for this ongoing “atmospheric colonization,” a key first step is to burst through this cognitive bubble, which is unfortunately fortified by layer upon layer of (unearned) power. As you can see, the work of redress is prodigious.
PG: Jason Hickel talks of a novel method for “Quantifying national responsibility for climate breakdown: an equality-based attribution approach for carbon dioxide emissions in excess of the planetary boundary”?
BB: Well, this is a great approach, but the method is not at all novel – this approach has been applied in the corporate realm for more than a decade-and-a-half. The general practice of context-based sustainability, and the specific practice of context-based carbon metrics, has been around since 2006, when Unilever subsidiary Ben & Jerry’s started assessing the degree to which their carbon footprint fits within the remaining carbon budget.
This approach has been codified into the Science Based Targets initiative (SBTi), which I helped to instigate in 2012 (it launched in 2015). Unfortunately, SBTi has suffered from corrupt governance of the BINGOs who run it (CDP, WWF, WRI, and UNGC), but the core concept is sound. Applying it at the national level is simply a variable. I’d encourage Jason to collaborate with the folks who originated the concept and practice in the first place (the Center for Sustainable Organizations), so he can benefit from their decades of experience and learnings (often from making mistakes that we now see others replicating…)
PG: How should these issues be resolved rather than fuel ongoing polemics which distracts the real issue?
BB: First, you need to understand who benefits from the framing of a dynamic as “polemic.” When the evidence is crystal clear, and yet certain constituencies – who happen to inhabit centers of political power – continue to defend status quo positions that, objectively speaking, are “extreme.” At the same time, folks who inhabit the political fringes, yet are more aligned with scientific evidence and ethical imperatives, are framed as “extreme.” This framing creates a polemic which is essentially artificial: one extreme (the mainstream status quo) is objectively speaking wrong, while the other “extreme” (the marginalized) is objectively speaking right. So a first step is to stop framing this as a “polemic,” and more accurately characterize the status quo as dangerous extremism.
Perhaps the most important thing we can convey to power-holders is that their power becomes moot when problems escalate to the levels of systemic and existential risk.
Given that the mainstream power centers are unlikely to relinquish power of their own accord, a key strategy of power-holders is to legitimize existing power structures. I mean, don’t you understand that this distraction from the “real issues” is conscious and purposeful? Perhaps the most important thing we can convey to power-holders is that their power becomes moot when problems escalate to the levels of systemic and existential risk. Ultimately, we’re in this together, and the sooner that power-holders recognize that solidarity is both altruistic AND self-interest, the better.
PG: Many thanks Bill for your candid and insightful thoughts. Best wishes for your ongoing endeavours.
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My commentary on the presentation at the CHINA INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON INSURANCE AND RISK MANAGEMENT (CICIRM) 2022, Changsha – published by illuminem.
The International Financial Reporting Standards (#IFRS) has had a serious blind-spot in terms of #sustainability. Is the formation and incorporation of the International Sustainability Standards Board (#ISSB) a panacea? I pick a few signals.
Is ISSB adoption by IFRS Foundation the magic wand that would drive businesses (including insurers) towards sustainability? Robert Eccles gives a green signal. Yet he cautions: “As part of its “Green Deal,” the #europeanunion is in the process of developing a set of standards for sustainability reporting… Concerns have been raised about the speed and process by which these sustainability reporting standards are being developed”. Bureaucracy continues to plague #multilateral agencies.
How do you embed #ESG to make insurers sustainable? In the course of my exploration Tamara Close, CFA explains how ESG compliance need not always mean sustainable. Nor being sustainable translate as ESG compliant.
Dr. Shiva Rajgopal believes climate reporting is the third best option for climate change. He is bullish about the role of ISSB. Prof. Carol Adams looks at the nitty gritty and highlights what else ought to be done. Bill Baue believes the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has given the #colonial component a miss and the #GlobalSouth deserves a longer runway! So, how should the sustainability architecture account for it?
While several disconnects remain – for instance how must the bean-counters think? A fresh debate might be in the offing: is the climate crisis just about #decarbonisation? Likewise, how to account for #biodiversity and #nature? Watch-out how the nature related financial disclosures (#TNFD) begin to assert.
“Achieving Net Zero for carbon does almost nothing, yet this is the focus of most climate change work… The good news is that we can bring back nature, make the planet beautiful and fix climate change, all at the same time”, Dr.Howard Dryden shares the pros and cons.
“The world is on the attack against #ESG when it should be dealing with risks and addressing #ClimateChange”, warns Matthew Sekol. He highlights: “how ESG gets squeezed by the far-right… to the point where it is framed for #srilanka‘s collapse”.
Alison Taylor and Brian Harward reveal: “Pressure on companies to commit to ESG has so far led mostly to box-ticking… Instead, they should recognise that the stakes are high, and commit to push companies to do what they are designed for: innovating and improving our lives”.
Insurers should be no exception. Despite all the prevailing negativism – the occasional silver lining is reason enough for #insurers to act with due urgency.
Please respond to the IFRS Foundation (Link in the article). Deadline: July 29th, 2022.
Chartered Insurance Institute
清华大学经济管理学院 Tsinghua University School of Economics and Management

Tamara is a Chartered Financial Analyst (CFA) and council member of the Canadian Advocacy Council for CFA Societies Canada. She is also a Board director for CFA Montreal and Chair of the ESG Committee. Tamara is a member of the Investment Committee for the JGH Foundation and acts as an advisor for several organizations and think tanks such as the Veristell Institute and PracticalESG. She is a much sought-after speaker and contributor for thought leadership to industry journals and the media.
Praveen Gupta: With Exxon staying put in the S&P 500 ESG Fund and Tesla being taken off, is there really such a thing as an ESG stock or an ESG standard?
Tamara Close: There has been much debate as of late about what constitutes an ESG stock, whether certain stocks are appropriate for ESG funds and whether certain ESG funds should even be called ESG funds.
Where a lot of the confusion reigns is the conflation between ESG and Sustainability. A company can manage their material ESG issues very well but not be a sustainable company, and a company can be sustainable while still having low scores on ESG issues. For instance, an oil & gas company may manage their scope 1 & 2 carbon emissions, the health & safety of their employees, their Board’s diversity, etc. very well and yet produce a product that has very negative externalities for the environment.
A company can manage their material ESG issues very well but not be a sustainable company, and a company can be sustainable while still having low scores on ESG issues.
On the other hand, a company may be considered sustainable because of the product it produces and yet be a laggard when it comes to managing its ESG issues. We have seen this very situation with Tesla being removed from the S&P 500 ESG Index while Exxon remained.
Since ESG indices act as de facto ESG data providers, and it is important for investors to understand the specific requirements for inclusion in these indices. ESG indices can also be sector neutral to their non-ESG counterparts so you will find sectors not traditionally associated to sustainability or ESG.
Bottom line: There is no such thing as an “ESG stock”, and there is no consensus on whether certain companies, products or industries qualify as sustainable or ESG friendly. Investors need to determine the ESG characteristics or exposures (both positive and negative) that they want, or are comfortable with, in their portfolios. Industry materiality frameworks, standards, taxonomies, indices and data providers can help guide the conversation but given the subjectivities of sustainability, these are not the only solution.
The market has finally realized that not only do you not need to give up return to invest in a sustainable company (which was never a valid argument) but investing in sustainable firms will actually help you create alpha.
PG: Disclosures and audit are sacred territories. Who should be refereeing if there is greenwashing – before a regulator blows the whistle? DWS is neither the first nor the last?
TC: We have seen a huge upsurge in ESG labelled funds over the last few years. The positive side to this is that the market has finally realized that not only do you not need to give up return to invest in a sustainable company (which was never a valid argument) but investing in sustainable firms will actually help you create alpha.
Just like there is no definition of an ESG stock. There is no true definition of what constitutes an ESG fund. Many firms were happy to relabel funds as “ESG” without putting the required governance and oversight measures around this. While firms like BNY Mellon and Goldman Sachs (currently being investigated) probably did not have an intent to mislead, regulators act to preserve investor interests, so they will crack down on any misstatement or omission of information.
As to who should referee these managers before a regulator steps in? This falls squarely in the court of internal compliance and audit departments.
As to who should referee these managers before a regulator steps in? This falls squarely in the court of internal compliance and audit departments. An underlying issue and core challenge however is the understanding of what is ESG integration. This is not a binary process. There are many different ways of integrating ESG and many different levels of maturity for ESG practices. Fund managers need to understand where they fit on this maturity spectrum and they need to ensure there are governance and oversight practices that can be tracked and measured internally.
If a firm is investigated by a regulator for greenwashing, whether it’s a lack of internal governance and oversight or whether the firm intended to truly mislead investors probably won’t matter to clients or in the court of public opinion. This however can be positive for those fund managers that are truly integrating ESG authentically as it will help identify asset managers that “do” from managers that “say they do”.
PG: What are some issues that you think will next come under focus of regulators or industry watchdogs for investment funds?
TC: Getting to net zero global carbon emissions will require the “largest re-allocation of financial capital in human history” (McKinsey), and institutional investors are the critical lever to strategically drive that transformation to a net zero global economy. With this very real need to get global carbon emissions to net zero by 2050 and reduced by 50% by 2030, there has also been an upsurge in the number of Net Zero or Transition funds.
While there are some truly innovative investment strategies out there that will no doubt help with the transition to a low carbon economy by investing in those leading companies that are transitioning and transforming their business models and by investing in those companies that are creating solutions to get us there, this has also opened the debate about what is a true net zero portfolio.
There are many ways to get to a net zero portfolio but not all actually reduce emissions in the atmosphere, which is what is urgently required to get global emissions to net zero by 2050.
There are many ways to get to a net zero portfolio but not all actually reduce emissions in the atmosphere, which is what is urgently required to get global emissions to net zero by 2050. For instance, some funds will consider the shorting of high carbon companies as a way of reducing the carbon emissions in their long positions, although this does not actually reduce emissions in the atmosphere. Others will purchase offsets, although not all offsets are created equal. Offsets that only avoid emissions are not as impactful as offsets that remove carbon and have long lived storage capabilities.
Transparency is, therefore, key when assessing the carbon intensity of a portfolio. The goal should not be to have the lowest emissions, but rather the most accurate. With that as a starting point, the plan should then be to reduce emissions as much as possible through security selection and engagement, and then finally through offsets that remove emissions from the atmosphere.
PG: Nothing, as of now (including the Paris Agreement) is mandatory. Would you not consider that as toothless?
TC: I think it will be difficult to make them mandatory, given that there is still so much political opposition. However, going forward these will probably become de facto mandatory as the world evolves and investors demand this. Countries that do not meet their Nationally Determined Contributions (NDCs) of the Paris Agreement, for instance, are already being scrutinized and this is becoming part of sovereign risk analysis. This will most probably start to affect countries’ credit ratings and hence their ability to raise debt, attract foreign capital and maintain a competitive market and foreign exchange rate.
PG: Many thanks Tamara for these brilliant insights into some very critical issues that tend to cause serious ambiguities in the world of ESG.
Link to my ‘piecemeal’ review for Amazon!

After successfully experimenting with a multitude of genre, including semi-fiction and fiction – Dr. Raghunathan V – the master of #behaviouralfinance returns to his favourite turf. His masterpiece: ‘Irrationally Rational’ was released recently.
It is a must: “For those interested in how the human mind’s functioning affects markets and the economy”. And if you wish to enjoy an “enlightening journey into the work of Nobel laureates and others who have made psychology central to economics”. Or savour “fundamentals of theory of choice and behaviour through delightfully simple and accessible language” and relish “a daunting body of knowledge accessible to everyone”. Here it is!
As for me, I would also want to understand the work of the first ever woman to win a Nobel Prize in Economics – Late Elinor Ostrom. “When I started to look for a position after graduation, it was somewhat of a shock to me to have future employers immediately ask whether I had typing and shorthand skills. The presumption in those days was that the appropriate job for a woman was as a secretary or as a teacher in a grade school or high school”, recounts Elinor. Not daunted by the patriarchal ways of the American society, she worked her way through. Delighted that Raghu dedicates time and space to this brilliant mind.
Needless to mention a remarkable coincidence – seven of the ten Nobel laureates covered by Raghu have Jewish origins! (http://jinfo.org/Nobels_Economics.html).
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His research focuses on (i) ESG and its implications for valuation, governance and social responsibility; (ii) fundamental analysis of financial statements and valuation, especially earnings quality and accounting fraud; (iii) the efficacy of corporate governance and executive compensation; and (iv) the contribution of corporate culture to productivity at the workplace.
Shiva’s work is frequently cited in the popular press, including The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, Bloomberg, Fortune, Forbes, Financial Times, Business Week, and the Economist.
Some of the scholarly recognition received by him include the 2006, 2016 and 2018 American Accounting Association (AAA) Notable Contribution to the Literature award, 2006 and 2016 Graham and Dodd Scroll Prize given by the Financial Analysts Journal, and the 2008, 2012 and 2015 Glen McLaughlin Award for Research in Accounting Ethics.
Praveen Gupta: You recently observed that Climate reporting may be the third-best way of focusing on the climate problem?
Shiva Rajagopal: Ideally, Congress should fix the climate issue by considering a carbon tax. However, the state of our politics is such that congressional action on a carbon tax is unlikely. The other argument is that this is best left to the Environment Protection Agency (EPA). But the Supreme Court has two cases pending before it arguing that the EPA has over-extended its authority. So, the probability that the EPA will address the climate issue, without litigation, is slim. Hence, the statement that climate reporting, albeit a small step in the larger struggle against climate change, is perhaps the third best alternative.
PG: There are references to ESG 2.0. Is this an evolved version?
SR: ESG 2.0 – yes, the process will evolve. Regulation, enforcement and awareness of greenwashing issues has increased and that to me is a welcome development. Some of the charlatans that entered the space will leave. I hope that ESG 2.0 will, at the very least, move the conversation forward with greater rigor and authenticity.
PG: Are the financial institutions procrastinating? The IFRS had a serious blind-spot in not having a sustainability component. How does ISSB change it all? Any remedy for greenwashing, as well?
ISSB might become the default standard setter for the world in the area of sustainability unless the SEC can push through the climate disclosure rule in some form or the other.
SR: The last few weeks have seen a flurry of activity in this respect. The Securities and Exchange Commission’s (SEC) action against Vale. The German Government going after DWS for greenwashing. The SEC’s new ESG funds rule, the names rule and of course the climate risk disclosure rules should all help us mitigate the greenwashing problem somewhat. ISSB might become the default standard setter for the world in the area of sustainability unless the SEC can push through the climate disclosure rule in some form or the other.
PG: Does the SEC prescription cover ‘Scope 3’ adequately?
SR: Yes, it recognizes the difficulty associated with measuring scope 3 and allows for a staggered implementation strategy and a litigation safe harbor. Some have asked for even more relaxed regime where scope 3 is required for say companies with a market cap of $10 billion or more. Attestation and/or assurance can also be quite difficult for scope 3 as of now.
PG: Twenty-two leading law and finance professors have urged SEC to withdraw the Climate Disclosure Proposal. Any thoughts?
SR: You must have seen the two comment letters I was part of. One, in my individual capacity, and one signed by several ex-SEC commissioners. These two letters offer a counter-perspective to that of the 22 leading law professors both in terms of cost-benefit analyses and in pushing back against the idea that the SEC has no authority to enact climate risk disclosure rules.
Yes, the Global South has a huge tradeoff to confront between lower emissions and lost GDP as a result.
PG: What ideally should a transition pathway look like? Any differentiation between Global North and South?
SR: The transition pathway is idiosyncratic by definition to an individual company. There is perhaps no ideal “one size fits all” path for everyone. All I am asking for is transparency with respect to how the firm intends to fulfil its pledges. Yes, the Global South has a huge tradeoff to confront between lower emissions and lost GDP as a result.
PG: Many thanks Dr. Shiva Rajgopal, for these brilliant insights!